There won't be an all-out nuclear war. But there will very likely be a nuclear "event".
We are post-nukes now, and into the age of CRISPR bioweapons.
TPTB don't want to be hiding in a nuclear bunker for five years, not sure if they will be murdered as soon as they exit it. They want to drink their Chablis in Saint Tropez in Summer and their Eiswein in their Swiss chalet in the Winter.
This is all theatre of the mind. When Trump was President and I used to support him, when he moved the needle on nuclear war I was genuinely worried. Not anymore.
TPTB want to crash the system, because they know it's fucked because they broke it and stole probably quadrillions in the process. They are criminals. The WEF, UN, WHO - nothing but one giant globalist Mafia cartel. Running purely on racketeering and extortion. This is just the "cleanup" phase before they ove to their new scam - CBDCs (and social credit system, natch).
You think the local Don in Sicily wants to go down in a gun fight like the Sundance Kid? Or does he want to sit on the beach drinking limoncello playing with his grand-kids?
We instigated this whole enchilada, the Ukr. Parliament illegally impeaching Yanukovych ( elected legally btw) because he didn't support joining the EU.
Kosovo carved from Serbia is any different for what Putin is trying to do re; the Donbas?
Serbia is in our 'sphere influence? But Ukraine isnt in Russia's?
Just wait another 45 days or so......Germany is already ahead by 14.8% in its heating usage averaged against the last 4 years.. In the immortal words of Victoria Nuland, "*uck the EU"...and they surely are.
Trouble in the Donbas has a very long history that has no easy answer - see the Holodormor experience and aftermath. It is clear that Russia meddling in the area created a conflict that need not have happened. The agreement in 1991 set the stage for Ukraine's divorce with security assured by the US, GB, Russia. As in the US, a succession requires agreement among affected parties - we fought a very bloody war to say no.
Crimea likely doesn't want war but does want to keep that huge Russian base along with wealthy Russian tourists among many tourists. Russia has a near forever lease for it's base, not sure why Putin wanted the entire place with it's complex ethnic mix. Shopkeepers there obviously enjoy the Russian business.
"...there is no question that Russian elections are less-than-legitimate...." What was that about people who live in glass houses? US elections have been suspect continuously since the times of Boss Tweed, and within our parents' lifetimes, Big Bill Thompson was advocating, "Vote early and vote often." Anybody remember how the 1960 Presidential election was delivered to JFK by Richard Daley and how the CIA corrected the "mistake" in 1963? Remember hanging chads in 2000 and the theft of Ohio's electoral votes in 2004? This is not a partisan issue and undermines the public's faith in the republic.
“ despite the Obama Administration’s successful interventions to shape their election outcomes in 2014.” … you mean running a coup to overturn a democratically elected government and install a series of puppet regimes that will engage in a proxy war against their ethnic brothers??
You mean THOSE “successful interventions”??
FFS. Have the courage to name the evil actions of the US.
OF COURSE, no sane person is for nuclear war and I've been alarmed with the idiocy of media trying to CONDEMN the very concept of being worried about it in this Russian attack on Ukraine and having Ukraine actually fighting off the Russians fairly successfully even BEFORE the rest of Europe got engaged. ...If Russia had just rolled over the country like Hitler did to a few countries early in WWII, we wouldn't be talking about this. But BECAUSE they stood up, it's MY view that war includes "all the other violent crimes" and that this act of war is itself a war crime, and that I support Ukraine holding its territory.
This is FAR from saying I support all Ukraine is or does. But what Ukraine is or does is NOT the issue, really; the question is what the US and other powers are doing to stoke the risk of nuclear war - isn't it?
Can't we say that Ukraine has its faults yet the REAL issue here is that while we can support Ukraine's defense, we MUST NOT do so in a way that encourages the risk of nuclear war?
But when it comes to evaluating Ukraine and trying to claim it isn't worthy of support, frankly, that's just silly. You either support the territorial integrity of established countries or you don't. And you either
support that aggressors should be permitted to win just because they threaten wider war, or you don't.
And THE REAL QUESTION is how do we support Ukraine WITHOUT actually pushing the risk of thermonuclear war? ...A comparison of virtuosity is just invalid, and below I make that point.
As I was reading, I just had to ask myself that of the list given of transgressions listed in the 2021 report just issued, how many of those are equally true of the U.S. federal government (USG)?
Here's that list, with commentary added:
1) unlawful or arbitrary killings, including extrajudicial killings by the government or its agents
YEP! The USG does that - has done that many times. The Bush Jr admin did this more times than one can count but even the Obama admin notably did it to two U.S. citizens via drone. -ugh!- ...Is there any administration since at least JFK that hasn't? (MAYBE Carter's?) The rest can't really credibly claim they're clean, though the public soon forgets.
2) torture and cases of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment of detainees by law enforcement personnel
YEP! Once again, the USG is guilty, too. But if we look at the individual states? ... Wow! No room to document all that here! However, if one wants a quick pointer to copious information confirming this, all one has to do is look to the arguments of the defense of Julian Assange, pointing out that that's exactly what he'd be headed for if the extradition is successful. ... No matter what you think of Assange, this matters.
3) harsh and life-threatening prison conditions
YEP! See the comments under 2 above.
4) arbitrary arrest or detention
YEP! Again, see the comments under 2 above.
5) serious problems with the independence of the judiciary
YEP! That too! That one we can't (likely "yet") also point at #2 above, is still all too common in the USA, at ever level, especially with the modern Supreme Court which very close to always supports the fascistic state - that is, big business. And even if you disagree with that, there are lots of other examples not too difficult to find.
6) serious restrictions on free expression and media, including violence or threats of violence against journalists, unjustified arrests or prosecutions of journalists, and censorship
YEP! It'd be VERY hard to argue against this one! Again, Assange, but MANY more!
7) serious restrictions on internet freedom
Here, there aren't so much restrictions as the green-lighting of - and the pretention that it's OK - theft of personal data under the specious claim "you agreed to it" when NOBODY can actually do much in this society without "agreeing" to forced agreements that you hand over all your personal data.
However, it IS a difference.
8) refoulement of refugees to a country where they would face a threat to their life or freedom
YEP! -ahem- See Trump AND Biden, unhappily.
9) serious acts of government corruption
That all depends on the definition of "serious." I'd say yes, but it's done differently here; OUR version of the merger of state and business power - fascism at its core - is done less obviously.
10) lack of investigation of and accountability for gender-based violence
In the USA this is a state matter. But maybe we can point to Jeff Epstein, as that was primarily female (youth) exploitation and by (at least my definition) violence, which was overlooked ("lack of investigation") for decades, even though it was well known by the very top of the USG.
11) crimes, violence, or threats of violence motivated by anti-Semitism
This depends on the definition of anti-Semitism. The USG's definition has always been flawed, but MAYBE in the case of Ukraine, they have a point. ... In the US, the USG apparently thinks that objection to the Israeli GOVERNMENT is equivalent to anti-Semitism, despite the fact that the Palistinians who are the people said claims are trying to defend are ALSO SEMITES! Talk about brain-dead! FURTHER, being against a government's policy is NOT THE SAME THING as being against the country OR the people! Let's not fall into pure stupidity here!
12) crimes involving violence or threats of violence targeting persons with disabilities, members of ethnic minority groups, and lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, or intersex persons
Well, at least the USG has stopped this, but has been guilty in the past!
13) the existence of the worst forms of child labor.
OK, we also got rid of that quite some time ago, at least officially. However, the Epstein thing all involves child labor in the form of SEX, and isn't that the "worst form?"
Again, I an NOT AT ALL for risking nuclear war... See my notes at top.
That the President's son was on the take in Ukraine is rarely mentioned as well.
There won't be an all-out nuclear war. But there will very likely be a nuclear "event".
We are post-nukes now, and into the age of CRISPR bioweapons.
TPTB don't want to be hiding in a nuclear bunker for five years, not sure if they will be murdered as soon as they exit it. They want to drink their Chablis in Saint Tropez in Summer and their Eiswein in their Swiss chalet in the Winter.
This is all theatre of the mind. When Trump was President and I used to support him, when he moved the needle on nuclear war I was genuinely worried. Not anymore.
TPTB want to crash the system, because they know it's fucked because they broke it and stole probably quadrillions in the process. They are criminals. The WEF, UN, WHO - nothing but one giant globalist Mafia cartel. Running purely on racketeering and extortion. This is just the "cleanup" phase before they ove to their new scam - CBDCs (and social credit system, natch).
You think the local Don in Sicily wants to go down in a gun fight like the Sundance Kid? Or does he want to sit on the beach drinking limoncello playing with his grand-kids?
We instigated this whole enchilada, the Ukr. Parliament illegally impeaching Yanukovych ( elected legally btw) because he didn't support joining the EU.
Kosovo carved from Serbia is any different for what Putin is trying to do re; the Donbas?
Serbia is in our 'sphere influence? But Ukraine isnt in Russia's?
Just wait another 45 days or so......Germany is already ahead by 14.8% in its heating usage averaged against the last 4 years.. In the immortal words of Victoria Nuland, "*uck the EU"...and they surely are.
Trouble in the Donbas has a very long history that has no easy answer - see the Holodormor experience and aftermath. It is clear that Russia meddling in the area created a conflict that need not have happened. The agreement in 1991 set the stage for Ukraine's divorce with security assured by the US, GB, Russia. As in the US, a succession requires agreement among affected parties - we fought a very bloody war to say no.
Crimea likely doesn't want war but does want to keep that huge Russian base along with wealthy Russian tourists among many tourists. Russia has a near forever lease for it's base, not sure why Putin wanted the entire place with it's complex ethnic mix. Shopkeepers there obviously enjoy the Russian business.
"...there is no question that Russian elections are less-than-legitimate...." What was that about people who live in glass houses? US elections have been suspect continuously since the times of Boss Tweed, and within our parents' lifetimes, Big Bill Thompson was advocating, "Vote early and vote often." Anybody remember how the 1960 Presidential election was delivered to JFK by Richard Daley and how the CIA corrected the "mistake" in 1963? Remember hanging chads in 2000 and the theft of Ohio's electoral votes in 2004? This is not a partisan issue and undermines the public's faith in the republic.
“ despite the Obama Administration’s successful interventions to shape their election outcomes in 2014.” … you mean running a coup to overturn a democratically elected government and install a series of puppet regimes that will engage in a proxy war against their ethnic brothers??
You mean THOSE “successful interventions”??
FFS. Have the courage to name the evil actions of the US.
Hmmm...
OF COURSE, no sane person is for nuclear war and I've been alarmed with the idiocy of media trying to CONDEMN the very concept of being worried about it in this Russian attack on Ukraine and having Ukraine actually fighting off the Russians fairly successfully even BEFORE the rest of Europe got engaged. ...If Russia had just rolled over the country like Hitler did to a few countries early in WWII, we wouldn't be talking about this. But BECAUSE they stood up, it's MY view that war includes "all the other violent crimes" and that this act of war is itself a war crime, and that I support Ukraine holding its territory.
This is FAR from saying I support all Ukraine is or does. But what Ukraine is or does is NOT the issue, really; the question is what the US and other powers are doing to stoke the risk of nuclear war - isn't it?
Can't we say that Ukraine has its faults yet the REAL issue here is that while we can support Ukraine's defense, we MUST NOT do so in a way that encourages the risk of nuclear war?
But when it comes to evaluating Ukraine and trying to claim it isn't worthy of support, frankly, that's just silly. You either support the territorial integrity of established countries or you don't. And you either
support that aggressors should be permitted to win just because they threaten wider war, or you don't.
And THE REAL QUESTION is how do we support Ukraine WITHOUT actually pushing the risk of thermonuclear war? ...A comparison of virtuosity is just invalid, and below I make that point.
As I was reading, I just had to ask myself that of the list given of transgressions listed in the 2021 report just issued, how many of those are equally true of the U.S. federal government (USG)?
Here's that list, with commentary added:
1) unlawful or arbitrary killings, including extrajudicial killings by the government or its agents
YEP! The USG does that - has done that many times. The Bush Jr admin did this more times than one can count but even the Obama admin notably did it to two U.S. citizens via drone. -ugh!- ...Is there any administration since at least JFK that hasn't? (MAYBE Carter's?) The rest can't really credibly claim they're clean, though the public soon forgets.
2) torture and cases of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment of detainees by law enforcement personnel
YEP! Once again, the USG is guilty, too. But if we look at the individual states? ... Wow! No room to document all that here! However, if one wants a quick pointer to copious information confirming this, all one has to do is look to the arguments of the defense of Julian Assange, pointing out that that's exactly what he'd be headed for if the extradition is successful. ... No matter what you think of Assange, this matters.
3) harsh and life-threatening prison conditions
YEP! See the comments under 2 above.
4) arbitrary arrest or detention
YEP! Again, see the comments under 2 above.
5) serious problems with the independence of the judiciary
YEP! That too! That one we can't (likely "yet") also point at #2 above, is still all too common in the USA, at ever level, especially with the modern Supreme Court which very close to always supports the fascistic state - that is, big business. And even if you disagree with that, there are lots of other examples not too difficult to find.
6) serious restrictions on free expression and media, including violence or threats of violence against journalists, unjustified arrests or prosecutions of journalists, and censorship
YEP! It'd be VERY hard to argue against this one! Again, Assange, but MANY more!
7) serious restrictions on internet freedom
Here, there aren't so much restrictions as the green-lighting of - and the pretention that it's OK - theft of personal data under the specious claim "you agreed to it" when NOBODY can actually do much in this society without "agreeing" to forced agreements that you hand over all your personal data.
However, it IS a difference.
8) refoulement of refugees to a country where they would face a threat to their life or freedom
YEP! -ahem- See Trump AND Biden, unhappily.
9) serious acts of government corruption
That all depends on the definition of "serious." I'd say yes, but it's done differently here; OUR version of the merger of state and business power - fascism at its core - is done less obviously.
10) lack of investigation of and accountability for gender-based violence
In the USA this is a state matter. But maybe we can point to Jeff Epstein, as that was primarily female (youth) exploitation and by (at least my definition) violence, which was overlooked ("lack of investigation") for decades, even though it was well known by the very top of the USG.
11) crimes, violence, or threats of violence motivated by anti-Semitism
This depends on the definition of anti-Semitism. The USG's definition has always been flawed, but MAYBE in the case of Ukraine, they have a point. ... In the US, the USG apparently thinks that objection to the Israeli GOVERNMENT is equivalent to anti-Semitism, despite the fact that the Palistinians who are the people said claims are trying to defend are ALSO SEMITES! Talk about brain-dead! FURTHER, being against a government's policy is NOT THE SAME THING as being against the country OR the people! Let's not fall into pure stupidity here!
12) crimes involving violence or threats of violence targeting persons with disabilities, members of ethnic minority groups, and lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, or intersex persons
Well, at least the USG has stopped this, but has been guilty in the past!
13) the existence of the worst forms of child labor.
OK, we also got rid of that quite some time ago, at least officially. However, the Epstein thing all involves child labor in the form of SEX, and isn't that the "worst form?"
Again, I an NOT AT ALL for risking nuclear war... See my notes at top.